RICK WARREN HAS DEVISED A REDEFINED CHURCH
THAT CAN BE MARKETED TO THE WORLD
BUT WHICH IS
NOT FAITHFUL TO THE HEAD OF THE CHURCH, JESUS CHRIST
OBJECTIONS TO RICK WARREN'S TEACHINGS
By James Sundquist
Rock Salt Publishing
1. He makes a host of statements in his PDL book that he says are in the Bible...that is, in fact, in NO BIBLE or translation that even he promotes. My wife is not a Bible scholar, but does go through the Bible once a year...at least ten years. So when she read Warren's PDL book, without even checking the citations, she was able to say time after time regarding Warren's statements: "That's not in there" (the Bible), "That's not in there", "That's not in there". etc. Of course I knew this too. But when I wrote my first book on Rick Warren, I did go check the citations.
2. He promotes a host of false translations. See my first book and first Powerpoint presentation.
3. He promote a host of false teachers.
4. He redefines Christianity. See my friend and colleague Pastor Bob DeWaay's new book:
Redefining Christianity - Understanding the Purpose Driven Movement
5. Rick Warren's forced covenants put us right back under the law, the very thing that the Apostle Paul condemned in Galatians. This will enable you to reject Rick Warren's 40 Days of Purpose and his Purpose Driven Life book before you even get to his 40 Days in his book. See my Part I of my Powerpoint presentation on PDC.
6. Warren's SHAPE Personality Temperament Profiling divination is based on the occultic teachings of Carl Jung.
7. His Global Peace Plan includes Muslims. See Chapter Seven in my new book Rick Warren's Global Peace Plan vs. Scripture. But this article which will be read on Southwest Radio tomorrow on Watchman on the Wall describes very well why this is impossible (for a Christian):
CAN A MUSLIM BE A GOOD AMERICAN?
Food for thought. Interesting questions for the Muslim Community to discuss.
Research for the rest of us.
Can a good Muslim be a good American?
I forwarded that question to a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years.
The following is his forwarded reply:
Theologically - no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, the moon God of Arabia.
Religiously - no. Because no other religion is accepted by his Allah except Islam (Quran, 2:256)
Scripturally - no. Because his allegiance is to the five pillars of Islam and the Quran (Koran).
Geographically - no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca , to which he turns in prayer five times a day.
Socially - no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews.
Politically - no. Because he must submit to the mullah (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and Destruction of America, the great Satan.
Domestically - no. Because he is instructed to marry four women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Quran 4:34).
Intellectually - no. Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.
Philosophically - no. Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot coexist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.
Spiritually - no. Because when we declare "one nation under God," the Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in The Quran's 99 excellent names.
Therefore after much study and deliberation....perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. They obviously cannot be both "good" Muslims and good Americans. Call it what you wish....it's still the truth.
You had better believe it.
If you find yourself intellectually in agreement with the above statements, perhaps you will share this with your friends. The more who understand this, the better it will be for our country and our future.
The religious war is bigger than we know or understand.
So, do you feel lucky today? Vote for a Muslim or Muslim sympathizer for Congress or President, where they will have access to issues of our national security and intelligence which they can then pass on to their Imam who will then funnel it to Islamic terrorists. What good will a wall across our entire border with Mexico do when we vote them into office 8. He is a destroyer of the brethren and countries and then lies about it:
Regarding a recent statement attributed to Kay Warren below, someone please ask Gene Dahler (at Saddleback) and Kay Warren to name names (me, Warren Smith, Deborah Dombroski, Perry Rockwood [People's Gospel, Canada, Philip Powell: Contending Earnestly for the Faith [Australia], Wendy Howard: Despatch Magazine [Australia], Professor Johan Malan (South Africa), Susan Bertalino (SimplicityinChrist.org), Trayce & Ray Gano, Zeph Daniels, Paul Proctor, Jacob Prasch, Pastor Bob DeWaay, Dr. Robert Klenck, Evangelist Loren Davis [who is still picking of up the pieces of the brother and countries in Africa that Warren has destroyed], former Catholic Priest Richard Bennett who helped expose his Roman Catholic unholy alliances, Dean Gotcher, Roger Oakland, Mac Dominick, Chris Carmichael, David Bay, David Cloud, etc.), as Scripture requires. Ask her to produce anywhere in my two books on Warren where I have born false witness against him. I have gotten a host of similar attacks by Warrenite pastors and followers for a number of years. And to date, they have produced ZERO evidence that I have slandered him!
"I recently heard Kay Warren whining and crying on the ("Christian") Paul McGuire Radio Show at KBRT, 740 AM, Crawford Broadcasting, Catalina, Ca.. She told everyone about the hateful, evil, mean spirited, demonic people who say such awful, nasty, terrible, and derogatory things about "her Rick and their Church", (they are so hateful, they must work for Satan.)"
Only a fool makes up his mind before hearing both sides of the story. KBRT wants to censor all opposition to ensure that you never hear the other side of the story, including the accounts of Warren's victims all over the world! You have now heard the tears of Kay Warren regarding opposition to Rick Warren. I now invite you to hear the tears of the victims of a host of churches who have been evicted for opposing his programs whom he calls "resisters". Who is going to comfort them? Who is going to comfort them on KBRT? Certainly not Paul McGuire or its owner Crawford.
But take heart, there are more and more saints and victims that see the Emperor's New PDC garments and the fraud of his Global Peace Plan! KBRT has clearly become PURPOSE-DRIVEN PRAVDA!
A PARABLE OF THE PURPOSE DRIVEN CHURCH
PURPOSE DRIVEN CHRISTIANITY....A WAY THAT SEEMS RIGHT UNTO MAN, OR WHO'S END IS DESTRUCTION?
"First they came for “resisters” and “pillars” of Brunswick Reformed Church, Brunswick, Ohio because they opposed Purpose Driven Life and Church, but I didn't speak up because I was not a member of Reformed Church of American (RCA) denomination.
Then they came after a lady who was an elder lady in the faith who had been with the First Baptist Church of Dallas, Texas since 1956 by shouting her down with spiritual euthanasia and aggressive mean-spirited behavior, and the intimidation of seven attorneys, because she opposed them turning their landmark Criswell Center into a Purpose Driven entertainment center. But I did not speak up because I was not a widow.
Then they held a trial for two families at Valley Baptist Church in Lakeland, Minnesota, but I didn't speak up because I was not a member of the General Baptist Convention.
Then they came after 165 members of Gardendale Baptist Church, Corpus Christi, Texas and ran them out of the church, but I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Southern Baptist.
Then a brother did finally speak up and tried to warn Eugene Christian Fellowship because they had gone Purpose Driven, but they threatened legal action and told him to stop spamming them. But I did not speak up for fear of being accused of spamming or being sued by a church.
Then a news reporter for a large Christian radio network sounded the alarm on His Holy Hill of this clear and present danger. They ran the story, but received more gnashing of teeth from callers then they had ever had, so they censored this story from their Agape Press print media news service.
Then still another brother on another Christian radio ministry broadcast testimonies of Christians thrown out of their churches across the country, but the network threatened to remove his show from the air, if another broadcast was ever made that said anything bad about Rick Warren. But I did not speak up because I had friends and family who were either employed by an organization that promoted Purpose Driven Church, or were in Purpose Driven Church, and I did not want to lose those relationships.
Then they came after a large group of members at New Hope Church in Bend, Oregon. But I didn't speak up because I wasn't a member of The Evangelical Church denomination or the National Association of Evangelicals.
Then they came after a carpenter and his wife at Calvary Community Church in Phoenix, Arizona with the police and a sheriff and escorted him out of the church and off of the grounds for trying to expose the deeds of darkness and the teachings of Rick Warren, telling him that if he returned, he would be arrested. But I didn't speak up because I wasn't a member of the Calvary Chapel denomination.
Then they came for me, and by that time there was no one left to speak up for me, because every church in the nation had become Purpose Driven and part of his Global PEACE Plan."
Compiled and Adapted by James Sundquist
Based on Rev. Martin Neimoeller's Poem below written in 1945
(c)2005 Rock Salt Publishing Used by Permission
"In Germany, the Nazis first came for the Communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for the trade unionists, but I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Catholics, but I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant.
Then they came for me, and by that time there was no one left to speak for me."
(Rev. Martin Neimoeller, German Lutheran Pastor. Rev. Neimoeller was arrested by the Gestapo for opposing Hitler and was sent to Dachau in 1938. He was freed by Allied forces in 1945.)
“Spiritual Euthanasia” Footnotes:
1. Pastor Dave Hawk, Brunswick Reformed Church, Brunswick, Ohio website:
2. Confirmed by the testimony of Betty Erwin on Southwest Radio Church archived broadcast: March 1, 2005, see and hear at: http://www.swrc.com/broadcasts/2005/march.htm and by 11/07, 11/11, 11/24, 2004 and 1/6 2005 letters by Betty Erwin to Mr. & Mrs. Brunson and another former pastor at Dallas First Baptist Church, and telephone interview March 2005.
3. Pastor Rev. Timothy S Magnuson,Valley Baptist Church in Lakeland, Minnesota. Tel 651-436-5278.
Verified by letters from church and the families of Keith Thompson and Charles Thompson.
Centered around October 22, 2002
4. Pastor Micah Davison, Gardendale Baptist Church, Corpus Christi, Texas. Gardendale Baptist Church
5633 S Staples St., Corpus Christi, TX 78411-4646 Phone: (361) 991-0285. Website:http://www.gardendale.org/.
165 members ousted on July 21, 2004:
Source: http://www.sbcbaptistpress.org/bpnews.asp?ID=18997, and Corpus
Christi Times: Margaret Neu
Information Services Editor, Corpus Christi Caller-Times, P. O. Box 9136, Corpus Christi, TX 78469
Testimonies of ousted members Piedad Ymbert, B.J. Moore, Grady Jackson, available on September 2004 archived realaudio files on Southwest Radio Church at swrc.com, archived, September 2004 at:http://www.swrc.com/broadcasts/2003/september.htm, and letters, Rick
Hudson emails and telephone interviews, September/October 2004.
Sundquist, James. Who's Driving the Purpose Driven Church? Bible Belt Publishing, Oklahoma City, Oklahoma. 2004. pp. 193-194. Website:http://www.swrc.com and http://www.abrahamic-faith.com/False-Teachers.html
5. Pastor Gary Clark, Eugene Christian Fellowship, 89780 N. Game Farm
Rd.,Eugene, OR 97408
541-344-3380. Website: http://www.ecf.org/Content/ContentCT.asp?P=22
Confirmed in letters from and correspondence with Eugene Christian Fellowship leaders: Tim Reich, Executive Pastor Jonathan Hatmaker, Discovery 301 Class (SHAPE), Mark Harpham, November 11-19, 2004
6. American Family Radio News, 107 Parkgate Dr. Tupelo, MS 38801. (662) 844-8888 Radio news segment ran February 15, 2005.www.afr.net
7. Source: Regarding Watchman on the Wall radio show....Prophetic
Observer, February and March Issues, Southwest Radio Church. Southwest
Radio Church, PO Box 100, Bethany, OK 73008
WATS Line: 800-652-1144, Local Phone: 405-789-1222, FAX: 405-787-2589, Email:
8. Sr. Pastor Randy Myers, New Hope Church, 20080 Pinebrook Blvd., Bend, Oregon 97702. Tel (541)389-3436 20080. Website: http://www.newhopeonline.net Correspondence with Pastors Josh Conn (2/03/2005-2/23/2005 and William Vermillion, The Evangelical Church denomination, an NAE affiliate: 2/26/2005-3/12/2005
9. Pastor Mark Martin, Calvary Community Church, 12612 N. Black Canyon Hwy.,Phoenix, Arizona 85029. Tel. Phone: (602) 973-4768. Toll Free: (888) 970-3030. Email Address:email@example.com. Website: http://www.netministries.org/see/churches.exe/ch19442
Testimony of Bear Frankson based on events since July 2004. Taped interview: 2/18/2005.
COMMENTARY ON WALL STREET JOURNAL & BAPTIST PRESS ARTICLE ON RICK WARREN
Without directly accusing Rick Warren of lying, Suzanne Sataline, author of the September 5, 2006 Wall Street Journal article: A Popular Strategy For Church Growth Splits Congregants, astutely revealed him to be one when Warren says he opposes any efforts to expel members from churches who won't comply with his programs, then she describes Dan Southerland's Church Transitions organization, one of Rick Warren major global partners and quotes by their spokespersons Roddy Clyde and Glen Sartain prove that Rick Warren does promote those very efforts to expel members from churches. The WSJ article even backed it up by documenting that Church Transitions conducted their program right at Warren's Saddleback Church, making it impossible for him to squirm out of it or say that it happened at another church...so therefore not his fault. And I can back it up too because I have tapes of Warren's PDC Conference leaders in Nairobi Kenya, confirming their alliance with Church Transitions in Warren's Global Peace Plan. I can't even believe he would make such an audacious statement that can be so easily refuted when he trains 400,000 pastors all over the world how to do precisely just that when dealing with his "resisters" and those who "must die". Suzanne Sataline caught Rick Warren redhanded! Good job! A further note in the Baptist Press article that there was not an ounce of compassion for any of the victims of Rick Warren's programs as though they had no biblical grounds for their opposition. Also note that they tried to contact Warren and the Wall Street Journal, but no record of contacting any of the victims to verify their story. This is the same stunt that Baptist Press pulled when covering the story on 165 members being ousted from Gardendale Baptist Church in Corpus Christi, Texas, as though they deserved it. When the reality is that BP did not even mention the real reason, and that was they opposed their church being hijacked by Rick Warren's Purpose Driven programs and teachings.
From Rick Warren's own website pastors.com:
Go to "Transitioning Churches", then to "Step 6, Dealing with
Opposition". When you are there, you will find one post after another from
pastors or lay people to the same. It is full of the purpose driven folks
telling others how to deal with opposition or resistors from getting them
'out of the gate' to 'shooting the wolves'. Yes, you heard me
right...shooting the wolves. In fact there are many, many threads dealing
with transitioning...read all you can stand to read in order to get a
thorough understanding of what is going on in the churches. Dan Southerland
responds himself as does Glen Sartain, and others with Transitioning, Inc. I
have an example right here:
Originally posted by: beachpreach:
"It takes time, but once you've built a solid leadership team and have a few wolf killings under your belt, you learn to act swiftly the next time opposition stirs."
"I had to learn this the hard way without any leadership team. The wolf-killing got done, I've got the scars to prove it. But, I LEARNED! and indeed, next time I will act swiftly."_
They are talking about how to get rid of resistors or opposition, which is what most of you are.
Please go to this website and read. And read. And read. There are many subjects here all relating to the purpose driven movement. Transitioning is your game however. Read.
SOURCE:http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36564514&postID=116953936305269539 One more current example which is consistent with the advice given above on Rick Warren's Pastors.com website:
Senior Pastor Lynn Kent of Greater Portland Bible Church who had completely transformed to a PDC church, whose church recently promoted a conference in Portland, Oregon with Rick Warren's North American Global Peace Plan Director as featured speaker, has now taken over Maranatha Bible Chapel (Christian & Missionary Alliance) in Horseheads, NY, and just fired their beloved music director after giving him an ultimatum to comply with PDC transition transformation which he refused. This pastor has now destroyed a brother!!! The elders had a meeting with the choir, informed them...half walked in the middle of the meeting...the rest are madder than a wet hornet. Lynn Kent is an interim pastor at this church. So I hope the whole country takes warning of what could be in store for them if he ever becomes "Interim" Pastor of their church. To date he has not repented or made restitution to this brother. Can't help but also wonder what is in store for resisters when the permanent pastor is installed. Lynn Kent hass now about to become a national posterchild for how to destroy a brother. So you better put on the full armor of God, for PDC and Corporatization is coming to your church, denomination, and village, if it has not already taken it over!
9. He promotes Mysticism (one of the reasons Chuck Smith, the leader of Calvary Chapels has pulled Warren's books).
See Lighthouse Trails website:
He lied about its Director Deborah Dombrowski too.
Also see Brian Flynn's DVD Be Still and Know...that you are being deceived, Bob DeWaay's : Dangers of Mysticism and the New Spirituality at: http://www.onetruthministries.com/, Chapter 8 of the 2nd edition of Ray Yungen's A Time of Departing which is a critique of Rick Warren's promotion of Richard Foster and the spiritual formation movement (i.e., contemplative or mysticism), and Roger Oakland's Purpose Driven Plan:http://www.understandthetimes.org/commentary/c56.shtml http://www.understandthetimes.org/commentary/c57.shtml
and Another Jesus, which will be out soon and his new book
on the emerging church, Faith Undone. It is a summer release,
but it will be back from the printers in June.
Also Deceived on Purpose by Warren Smith. Available online at: http://www.discernment-ministries.org/DiscerningPurposeDriven.htm
10. He teaches a New Age Gospel. See Paul Proctor's commentary on Warren's Ladies Home Journal column:http://www.newswithviews.com/PaulProctor/proctor66.htm
Also see my second book on his promotion of Ken Blanchard and my second Powerpoint on his voting for a August Turak New Ager for Grand Prize in the Power of Purpose Awards.
Now this is just the tip of the iceburg. He was also caught lying by Worldnet Daily author Joseph Farah several articles on Rick Warren:
Berit Kjos' articles such as Treason in the Church:
VCYAMERICA has also publicly called Warren's actions treasonous.
11. In several years, I have received a number of emails accusing me of slandering a brother (Rick Warren) from PDC pastors and followers. But to date, no proof and no reasoning from Scripture to prove our allegations false.
12. Hope this will help prove that Rick Warren is a false teacher. But if you give me your address, I will send you both of my books exposing him.
13. I could have folded this into false teachers that Warren promotes...but his developing a purpose-driven book and curriculim for Roman Catholics is a major issue. RC is a pagan religion of Necromancy...for starters. I also address this in my second book on Warren.
CONCLUSION & WARNING:
In almost every public appearance (99.9%) the true Gospel is missing, and the PDL or his false P.E.A.C.E. is elevated to gospel status.
As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. (Galatians 1:9 KJV)
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. (Matthew 10:34 KJV)
Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division: (Luke 12:51 KJV) (Warren hates doctrine, it divides the light from the darkness and he serves darkness)
His unholy alliances are many IE: He is a CFR member, Bedfellows with Bono, promotes One.org, he readily accepted in hate filled countries by hate filled dignitaries such as Syria, and North Korea as well others; and the list goes on and on. In fact the only real enemy that Warren speaks about is Bible Believing Born Again Christians (Fundamentalists) in his opinion they are the worst enemies of the 21st century!
Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? Whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God. (James 4:4 KJV)
Abstain from all appearance of evil. (1 Thessalonians 5:22 KJV)
Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? And what communion hath light with darkness? (2 Corinthians 6:14 KJV)
And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. (Ephesians 5:11 KJV)
For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh
upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. (1
Thessalonians 5:3 KJV)
We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death. (1 John 3:14 KJV)
If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into [your] house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds. (2 John 1:10-11 KJV)